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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://www.endsofearth.com/2009/10/the-southeast-asia-oreo-diet%c2%ae/comment-page-1/#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I guess you aren&#039;t going to Africa.</description>
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		<title>By: Brook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SHAC, I looked up the movies I&#039;ve seen, which include the Supersize Me documentary and the Fast Food Nation movie. Reviews of the FFN movie say that though it is pretty good, it simply doesn&#039;t do the book justice. I&#039;ll give it a read when I get home, and probably while I&#039;m eating a Pizza Hut Stuffed Crust Pepperoni Pizza (my favorite). So, I guess this article rules out any chance I had at getting a fast food company to sponsor my travels?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SHAC, I looked up the movies I&#8217;ve seen, which include the Supersize Me documentary and the Fast Food Nation movie. Reviews of the FFN movie say that though it is pretty good, it simply doesn&#8217;t do the book justice. I&#8217;ll give it a read when I get home, and probably while I&#8217;m eating a Pizza Hut Stuffed Crust Pepperoni Pizza (my favorite). So, I guess this article rules out any chance I had at getting a fast food company to sponsor my travels?</p>
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		<title>By: SHAC</title>
		<link>http://www.endsofearth.com/2009/10/the-southeast-asia-oreo-diet%c2%ae/comment-page-1/#comment-490</link>
		<dc:creator>SHAC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tigger, definitely read Fast Food Nation!</description>
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		<title>By: Brook</title>
		<link>http://www.endsofearth.com/2009/10/the-southeast-asia-oreo-diet%c2%ae/comment-page-1/#comment-489</link>
		<dc:creator>Brook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn, thoughtful comment as always. First, I remember nearly falling out of my chair when I was in a Pisa, Italy military base cafeteria, and saw soldiers drawing themselves glasses of wine from a spigot next to the soda fountain. And yeah, pretty much every country I&#039;ve been to has easy-to-find juices available. Kids in SE Asia eat fruit the way Westernized kids eat candy.

I think all your points are excellent. Our entire American system is built for production and consumption and to keep the pedestrians and any other non-producers out of the way. You are right about &lt;em&gt;our &lt;/em&gt;availability to food being limited, too, even if of our own doing. Whereas Cambodians have to put in significant effort to find and afford junk food, Americans have to put in extra effort, time, and money for healthy food. It&#039;s opposite! SE Asians are in their predicament because of lack of money/development. We are in our predicament because we have overindulged in tastier, faster, cheaper, chemically-enhanced food alternatives; the healthy options have been marginalized. Now, we&#039;ve boxed ourselves into being a &quot;Fast Food Nation.&quot; Fast food products thrive, while healthy foods sit on shelves and expire worthless.

As Americans, a land of individuality and liberty, it is difficult to face the idea that we aren&#039;t fully responsible for our choices. You mentioned it, that the marketing is engineered to manipulate our behaviors. Compound that with the engineered food, full of additives containing zero nutritional benefit, but affecting insulin levels, tricking our bodies into feeling hungry after eating an enormous amount, and overall messing up our physiology, and you have a recipe for a national bodyweight crisis. If we were all Michael Phelps, we could get away with it, but our work and social lives are so sedentary that it&#039;s too easy to get fat fast. Eating healthily and staying fit takes enormous willpower. I have the time and energy to exercise much more now that I&#039;m unemployed, but I&#039;m still susceptible to all the junk food I mentioned in the post. I&#039;m even looking forward to breakfast at McDonald&#039;s, getting a bacon, egg, and cheese biscuit, an egg mcmuffin, and an order of hotcakes. How messed up is this? I haven&#039;t had any McDonald&#039;s meals since very early June (though I have eaten some soft serve ice creams occasionally) and I am now craving it more and more with my impending return to the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, thoughtful comment as always. First, I remember nearly falling out of my chair when I was in a Pisa, Italy military base cafeteria, and saw soldiers drawing themselves glasses of wine from a spigot next to the soda fountain. And yeah, pretty much every country I&#8217;ve been to has easy-to-find juices available. Kids in SE Asia eat fruit the way Westernized kids eat candy.</p>
<p>I think all your points are excellent. Our entire American system is built for production and consumption and to keep the pedestrians and any other non-producers out of the way. You are right about <em>our </em>availability to food being limited, too, even if of our own doing. Whereas Cambodians have to put in significant effort to find and afford junk food, Americans have to put in extra effort, time, and money for healthy food. It&#8217;s opposite! SE Asians are in their predicament because of lack of money/development. We are in our predicament because we have overindulged in tastier, faster, cheaper, chemically-enhanced food alternatives; the healthy options have been marginalized. Now, we&#8217;ve boxed ourselves into being a &#8220;Fast Food Nation.&#8221; Fast food products thrive, while healthy foods sit on shelves and expire worthless.</p>
<p>As Americans, a land of individuality and liberty, it is difficult to face the idea that we aren&#8217;t fully responsible for our choices. You mentioned it, that the marketing is engineered to manipulate our behaviors. Compound that with the engineered food, full of additives containing zero nutritional benefit, but affecting insulin levels, tricking our bodies into feeling hungry after eating an enormous amount, and overall messing up our physiology, and you have a recipe for a national bodyweight crisis. If we were all Michael Phelps, we could get away with it, but our work and social lives are so sedentary that it&#8217;s too easy to get fat fast. Eating healthily and staying fit takes enormous willpower. I have the time and energy to exercise much more now that I&#8217;m unemployed, but I&#8217;m still susceptible to all the junk food I mentioned in the post. I&#8217;m even looking forward to breakfast at McDonald&#8217;s, getting a bacon, egg, and cheese biscuit, an egg mcmuffin, and an order of hotcakes. How messed up is this? I haven&#8217;t had any McDonald&#8217;s meals since very early June (though I have eaten some soft serve ice creams occasionally) and I am now craving it more and more with my impending return to the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that taxes wouldn&#039;t just make us pay more for the only option we have.  In order to address obesity, you need to accept systematic views on it.  You have to believe that our culture and way of life is designed and detrimental.  Once that is accepted, then you can go about changing the system.  As it is now, I think people probably think it is just up to themselves, that they are in control of every decision they make, completely unaware of every marketing strategy, consumer behavior study, and opinion surveys out there making sure we &quot;choose&quot; what is for sale.  I go to the food court at the base and realize that if I don&#039;t want sugary soda water, the only other option is water.  In Ukraine, a variety of juices and lemonades were on the menu at every place.  Tea is also a big option.  Wine, which in moderate doses, was usually an option.  I think its a little funny that I can drink a 64 oz soda at lunch but not a glass of wine.

Beyond just the products that are available, we have shorter and shorter lunch periods at work to boost productivity (i.e. people working more for less money to produce more goods at a lower cost) which really helps drive the fast food market.  If I have a 30 minute lunch break, I&#039;m not going to head home and have a nice meal.  I&#039;m going to dash to McDonalds, Taco Bell, Burger King, etc, or the vending machine.  Maybe I&#039;ll bring a sandwich, but man does that get old.  Eventually you want to eat something hot.  In Europe, an hour and half for lunch was not uncommon.  It included real food and a glass of wine.

Then there&#039;s the architecture.  Many folks live in the burbs and we don&#039;t build sidewalks anymore.  If I go to a shopping area, I have to dart through 5 lanes of traffic to go from Books a Million to Kmart.  It&#039;s not designed for walking.  Right now where I live, I need to walk 2.5 miles along a heavily trafficed road with no sidewalks to get a gallon of milk.  I&#039;m going to drive.  If there was a nice walk way along the bayou, I&#039;d probably walk, or at least bike.  It just isn&#039;t designed that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that taxes wouldn&#8217;t just make us pay more for the only option we have.  In order to address obesity, you need to accept systematic views on it.  You have to believe that our culture and way of life is designed and detrimental.  Once that is accepted, then you can go about changing the system.  As it is now, I think people probably think it is just up to themselves, that they are in control of every decision they make, completely unaware of every marketing strategy, consumer behavior study, and opinion surveys out there making sure we &#8220;choose&#8221; what is for sale.  I go to the food court at the base and realize that if I don&#8217;t want sugary soda water, the only other option is water.  In Ukraine, a variety of juices and lemonades were on the menu at every place.  Tea is also a big option.  Wine, which in moderate doses, was usually an option.  I think its a little funny that I can drink a 64 oz soda at lunch but not a glass of wine.</p>
<p>Beyond just the products that are available, we have shorter and shorter lunch periods at work to boost productivity (i.e. people working more for less money to produce more goods at a lower cost) which really helps drive the fast food market.  If I have a 30 minute lunch break, I&#8217;m not going to head home and have a nice meal.  I&#8217;m going to dash to McDonalds, Taco Bell, Burger King, etc, or the vending machine.  Maybe I&#8217;ll bring a sandwich, but man does that get old.  Eventually you want to eat something hot.  In Europe, an hour and half for lunch was not uncommon.  It included real food and a glass of wine.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the architecture.  Many folks live in the burbs and we don&#8217;t build sidewalks anymore.  If I go to a shopping area, I have to dart through 5 lanes of traffic to go from Books a Million to Kmart.  It&#8217;s not designed for walking.  Right now where I live, I need to walk 2.5 miles along a heavily trafficed road with no sidewalks to get a gallon of milk.  I&#8217;m going to drive.  If there was a nice walk way along the bayou, I&#8217;d probably walk, or at least bike.  It just isn&#8217;t designed that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Brook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, I like it, and think it should be extended to all junk food. That&#039;s seems like a perfect way to solve this problem. Tax the foods that cause the fat. If people (myself included) want to pig out on trashy food, harm their bodies, and burden the medical system with their problems, then a tax on those foods seems appropriate---just like with cigarettes. Make people pay heavy taxes on McDonald&#039;s fries and Big Macs, but the normal tax rate on McD&#039;s &quot;healthy&quot; dishes. I think this would work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, I like it, and think it should be extended to all junk food. That&#8217;s seems like a perfect way to solve this problem. Tax the foods that cause the fat. If people (myself included) want to pig out on trashy food, harm their bodies, and burden the medical system with their problems, then a tax on those foods seems appropriate&#8212;just like with cigarettes. Make people pay heavy taxes on McDonald&#8217;s fries and Big Macs, but the normal tax rate on McD&#8217;s &#8220;healthy&#8221; dishes. I think this would work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you&#039;ve read about the recent push to add a soda tax to pay for health care.  Interesting government intervention.  Hmmmm?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208505896608647.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you&#8217;ve read about the recent push to add a soda tax to pay for health care.  Interesting government intervention.  Hmmmm?<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208505896608647.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124208505896608647.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discussing this recently, I had pointed out to me something obvious, but also something we take for granted: the enormous income disparity between Americans and SE Asians. I didn&#039;t touch on the economic aspect in the post, but it is precisely that income disparity that restricts their options. I mentioned several times that it was easy for me to lose weight while here, simply by eating the limited options &lt;em&gt;available&lt;/em&gt;. As Americans, everything is available. We have the choice to easily and cheaply eat junk food, even if that food manipulates our bodies into wanting/needing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discussing this recently, I had pointed out to me something obvious, but also something we take for granted: the enormous income disparity between Americans and SE Asians. I didn&#8217;t touch on the economic aspect in the post, but it is precisely that income disparity that restricts their options. I mentioned several times that it was easy for me to lose weight while here, simply by eating the limited options <em>available</em>. As Americans, everything is available. We have the choice to easily and cheaply eat junk food, even if that food manipulates our bodies into wanting/needing more.</p>
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		<title>By: Brook</title>
		<link>http://www.endsofearth.com/2009/10/the-southeast-asia-oreo-diet%c2%ae/comment-page-1/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>Brook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wendy, yes Nutter Butters can be substituted one for one! I love those, too!
I&#039;ve seen a couple of the fast food documentaries (Supersize Me, and I think Fast Food Nation was made into a documentary?). They are shocking. I&#039;ll find the book version in a library when I get home.
It sounds like you have had great success, and had to make a big change to your cooking habits, and had to consciously avoid fast food. It takes that kind of commitment in the US to be healthy. Here in SE Asia they don&#039;t don&#039;t have to avoid anything or change habits. They simply eat what is available to them and do casual exercise as a lifestyle.

Mrs. Big Mac, I try to blame Mr. Big Mac for all my problems. For starters, he has negatively influenced my waistline and opinions on counter-zombie security measures. Eating lunch with him usually means buffets, which means overeating. In fact, I&#039;ve been dreading (and looking forward to) going to an Indian lunch buffet in S&#039;port if I make it there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy, yes Nutter Butters can be substituted one for one! I love those, too!<br />
I&#8217;ve seen a couple of the fast food documentaries (Supersize Me, and I think Fast Food Nation was made into a documentary?). They are shocking. I&#8217;ll find the book version in a library when I get home.<br />
It sounds like you have had great success, and had to make a big change to your cooking habits, and had to consciously avoid fast food. It takes that kind of commitment in the US to be healthy. Here in SE Asia they don&#8217;t don&#8217;t have to avoid anything or change habits. They simply eat what is available to them and do casual exercise as a lifestyle.</p>
<p>Mrs. Big Mac, I try to blame Mr. Big Mac for all my problems. For starters, he has negatively influenced my waistline and opinions on counter-zombie security measures. Eating lunch with him usually means buffets, which means overeating. In fact, I&#8217;ve been dreading (and looking forward to) going to an Indian lunch buffet in S&#8217;port if I make it there.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing can I substitute oreos for nutter butters?</description>
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